isozyme: iron man getting thrown through the air by an explosion (Default)
[personal profile] isozyme
I had no idea that genderbend was as common a fic exchange dislike as mpreg and abo, but survey says: possibly.

Before you say this is a matter of frequency bias, genderbend isn't a super common trope. A survey of the 5 genderbend tags on AO3 (genderbending, genderswap, gender or sex swap, alternate universe - gender changes, and rule 63) turns up about 12,000 fics after they're filtered out for duplicates, while the mpreg tag has about 34,000 entries, and the alpha/beta/omega dynamics tag has 46,000.

I think it's interesting that all three of these tropes have to do with introducing female-ness to (usually) all-male ships. In abo and mpreg in particular, they allow gay relationships to be mapped onto a heterosexual paradigm. Genderbent fiction can transform a pairing from gay to straight but also often from gay to lesbian. Looking at AO3 categories for genderbend tags, there's a 2:1:1 ratio of F/M:F/F:M/M. For a random popular tag -- I picked future fic -- the ratio is 16:8:1 M/M:F/M:F/F.

I'm not wild about trends that un-queer gay relationships. However, as a lesbian, genderbent fanfiction is a pretty good way to scratch that femslash itch. The fact that genderbending is so out of vogue is sort of odd to me. I find that it's a lot more likely to engage with things like misogyny, transness, and gender presentation than most fics. Importantly, genderbent fanfiction is much less likely to write women out of the world entirely.

Fandom fucks this trope up sometimes. There's a Kevin Wada illustration of a female version of Tony Stark that made me so incandescently angry I spent the next couple hours after seeing it drawing my own version.

Here they are side by side, Wada on the left, me on the right.

two female versions of tony stark

Wow, still angry. Women know how to hold screwdrivers. Women are capable of sitting on stools like normal fucking humans. Muscles? Hello? Where are the muscles? Tony Stark in every universe is ripped. Not Captain America ripped, but still, he lifts. How come she's so young? Who wears jeans that tight in a garage? More subtly, the way she holds herself away from the gauntlet, frowning at her own technology in disgust, rubs me completely the wrong way. It implies that a female Tony is disconnected to her creations and enforces the idea that women are less comfortable in STEM.

However, being pissed about the infuriating genderbend on the left doesn't mean I'm willing to give up the one on the right. Old butch buff sweatpants girl!Tony please and thank you.

The feeling I get is that genderbend has been lumped in with a number of Problematic Fandom Tropes and become socially unacceptable, while for me it's an important trope that gives me things I want (namely, women in my fanfiction, in a way that's already connected to a large, engaged audience).

I personally have imagined many times about what it would be like if I were genderswapped. I'm a butch lady, okay! I think about it! I will always want to work through my personal feelings via fanfiction, and genderswap AUs are one of the ways for me to do it.  Maybe as a side bonus I will get some actual F/F porn that doesn't feel like it's included out of some kind of limp obligation!

It sucked to discover that so many people hate this relatively rare trope that's so near and dear to me, so here I am, hackles up, looking for a fight on the internet.  Come at me, bro.




Date: 2018-12-21 09:15 pm (UTC)
hebethen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hebethen
I've known a lot of other trans and nonbinary fen who dislike it precisely because they feel that it doesn't tend to engage in examination of gender -- particularly that it ends up reproducing ciscentric stereotypes and misconceptions while erasing the possibility of actual trans or nonbinary characters.

OTOH it certainly has the potential to engage in that kind of examination! It's a must for me in heavily male casts, anyway, and IMO it's more interesting to do fem!characters that includes trans women, and nb!characters in general, than it is to simply relinquish Rule 63 to the confining corner of "cisswap". (Like, don't get me wrong, that's useful terminology for that specific phenomenon, but I'm personally more interested in expanding the base idea of conceptualizing characters with noncanonical genders.)

Having said that, I do want to push back a bit against the idea that unappealing F/F porn is that way simply because it is created out of obligation. Sometimes people just have different tastes! It is regrettable when one's own taste isn't at all represented, but it does not mean that all those other people are just insincere fakers. (Brought to you by: excitedly participating in a female-character-centric exchange, only to be told that anyone writing about female characters was just doing "dutyfic" to look good.)

Date: 2018-12-21 11:07 pm (UTC)
sineala: Detail of The Unicorn in Captivity, from The Hunt of the Unicorn Tapestry (Default)
From: [personal profile] sineala
I just want to say that I am here for Rule 63 making everyone lesbians (though this was probably my least popular longfic in Eagle fandom, ha) and also that, wow, I did not know I needed Rule 63 Tony and her AMAZING BICEPS in my life until right now. That is an amazing redraw.

Date: 2018-12-26 04:24 am (UTC)
wintersheir: (Default)
From: [personal profile] wintersheir
I (in-closet nb person, just to lay out my pedigree tumblr style) really hate the "ummm what about trans people?????" derails when they don't have anything to bring to the conversation and try to scupper something that would be useful to a lot of people even if perhaps the t e r m i n o l o g y is imperfect.

Which is to say, yeah, I think Rule 63 is great but has had the feet cut out from it by the Fandom Inquisition. Instead of getting more people to write trans/nb characters it just chased everybody off because they don't want the trouble.

Date: 2018-12-27 04:22 am (UTC)
manyblinkinglights: Upside-down Equius on a field of stars. (Default)
From: [personal profile] manyblinkinglights
+1 like, and also, it's some of the only non-Homestuck femslash I'm likely to be found enjoying, because I dunno, I have what are probably fairly standard issues. But when I know the girls already as cherished characters, suddenly I GET it, and it's huge and sparkly-valuable and engaging. Genderbend is good... even if it's not a KINK, it's fun! It's mental exercise like all the best AUs, all full of little "oh, of course!" twists and surprises, to put the old pieces together into a new silhouette or new pieces together into as close to the old silhouette as possible.

October 2019

S M T W T F S
  12345
6789 101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728293031  

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated Dec. 24th, 2025 10:22 am
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios